Ask Dr. Warren ~ The Questions & Their Answers


5 June 2000

  1. Swollen Finger
  2. Skull Fracture. How Serious?
  3. I'm Too Short!
  4. Children Want Daddy Instead of Mommy
  5. Emotional Incest?
  6. Bathing Newborn
  7. Eating Dirt
  8. Disclaimer

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Sincerely,
Dr. Warren

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Swollen Finger

Hello: My 2 year old daughter has had a swollen right index finger for 6 weeks now. At no time has there been any redness, bruising or discoloration, a bite or sting mark or ANY other symptoms, other than the swelling. The swelling is evenly dispersed around the finger from just above the middle joint to her knuckle. The x-ray taken by her doctor was negative. There was no indication of a hairline fracture or degeneration of the joint. It does not seem to be painful as she never complains about it and does not seem to favor that finger. She uses the finger but the range of motion is obviously affected because of the swelling. I am not aware of any injury she sustained and she is not in preschool. I just noticed the swelling one afternoon. Because of the lack of additional symptoms, we don't know what cause to look for, what tests to run, etc. Any suggestions would be most appreciated.

Thank You,
-LB

Dear LB: With so little to go on, it's hard for me to make a suggestion. My one thought would be for your daughter to be seen by an orthopedist since they deal with bones and joints and there's little else in a finger. A less likely consideration is that your daughter should be evaluated by a rheumatologist. The only tests I could suggest would be a blood count, sedimentation rate, and maybe, down the road, a bone scan, but evaluation by a specialist first would be more appropriate.

Sincerely,
Dr. Warren

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Skull Fracture. How Serious?

Dear Dr. Warren: My sister's baby took a very bad fall on the head on Saturday, April 18. She seemed fine afterwards. There was no red mark, no swelling and she was acting fine. She's been acting fine ever since, until Wednesday, April 21. Her head started to swell up. My sister is actually at the hospital with her now but they can't do a cat scan right away because the baby had eaten. One of the doctors said from her x-ray that she had taken a bad fall recently and that they thought she had a fractured skull.

Could this fractured skull be from the fall 5 days earlier? Why were there no symptoms before this? And what can they do for a one year old with a fractured skull? Can this cause brain damage?

Please e-mail me back as soon as possible.

Thank You

-Johnny

Dear Johnny: Sometimes a fracture doesn't swell right away. If your sister's baby hasn't fallen since April 18, and has a fractured skull, the fracture apparently happened at that time. The purpose of the CAT scan is to look at the fracture but also to see if there is any injury to the brain or bleeding inside the head. If there is bleeding, it will require neurosurgery. If the fracture is linear and not depressed, there is nothing to do for it except let it heal. Since heads have no moving parts they heal without casting.

There is always the possibility that a serious head injury which results in a brain contusion could cause seizures or subtle neurological deficits at some later date, but most head injuries that cause brain damage cause serious symptoms very quickly. Since the baby had no symptoms, it is unlikely that any serious brain injury could have occurred.

Sincerely,
Dr. Warren

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I'm Too Short!

Dear Dr. Warren: I'm not actually a parent but I need help for myself, and I wanted to ask you what I could do about my height. I am almost 16 and 64 inches, and have been for a year now. I am extremely worried about my height because I have not been growing for quite some time, or very much if at all. My problem is that I am 5 inches less than or equal to the average height, and I needed to know if there was anything I should be worried about, or anything I could do to fix\otherwise improve this problem.

If you could tell me anything, I would greatly appreciate it.

Thank you.

-Chris

Dear Chris: A lot depends on where you are in puberty. If your body is fully developed and you haven't grown in a year, then you are finished growing and there isn't anything you can do about it. Many adolescents continue to grow until they are 18 to 21 years of age, but some are fully mature and have finished growing by 15 or 16. If your body is not yet mature and you haven't grown in the past year, then you should see an endocrinologist to determine why you have stopped growing, and what should be done.

If you have finished growing, you should not be distressed about being below average height. Genetics plays a large role. If your parents are short, you shouldn't expect to be tall. My grandfather was 62 inches. I am 66 inches. My son, who is finished growing, is 64 inches. It's what he inherited from me and his mother who is 60 inches.

Sincerely,
Dr. Warren

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Children Want Daddy Instead of Mommy

Dear Dr. Warren: My husband and I have three children, ages 11, 4 and 2. My questions deals with the 4 and 2 year old! They reject most of my affections, stating "Go Away", "I want Daddy", "Daddy do it!". They never say that to their father. We have explained to them(as well as we could for their ages) that it is not nice to treat mommy or anyone else in that manner. We have a very loving Christian home with both of us parents spending equally amounts of time with them. One scenario in particular is the morning routine, when I hear them waking up in their room, I go to get them up and the minute I walk into the room, they tell me to go away, to go get Daddy! I usually ignore their remarks and take care of business anyway! What is happening here? Hope you can shed some light on this situation for it has been going on now for about a year and I'm wondering if I'm doing something wrong? Thank you for taking the time to answer my question!

-TS

Dear TS: I suspect that your little one's have come to see being cared for by Daddy as being treated special. This happens in many households where Mommy is the main caretaker. Because Mommy is dealing with daily care and discipline the children learn to tune her out and take her for granted. Often, Daddy can get a better response on disciplinary issues, and as a result, doesn't have to spend as much time in negative interaction. In fact, Daddy's distance from the daily struggles may make it easier for him to be playful and distract the children from mischief, while at the same time getting a more immediate response to his commands. I can understand the distress you're feeling when the children request Daddy instead of you. It's fine to point out that your feelings get hurt when they reject you, but a 2 year old and 4 year old are too young to be dealing with your feelings while they're dealing with heir own needs. You mustn't allow this to become an issue between you and the little ones. They need your love, even though they take it for granted. There are several things you can try that might make a difference.

Sincerely,
Dr. Warren

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Emotional Incest?

Dear Dr. Warren: Hi. I am involved with a man who has an "Only" child. Her mother died 3 years ago. I am interested in information concerning the relationship that can develop between the father and daughter concerning "emotional incest". The two of them seem to need "more" from each other than what we call "normal" parenting. Such as: When he and I have plans for dinner, etc... The child and father then have to have what he terms as "quality time" ...the need to have "time alone" doing a similar thing the next day. It seems more like a "relationship" than a parent-child thing. Although I don't believe there is any sexual encounters involved, I am beginning to question the "emotional incest" issue. Could you please respond? The daughter has never "cried" concerning her mother's death either, which I feel is a needed "grieving process".

Thank you

-Julie

Dear Julie: I need more information to answer your question properly. I have never heard of "emotional incest." Is the term "emotional incest" your own term for the situation, or is it something your read about? If you read about it, perhaps you can refer me to the article or source so that I'm sure we're talking about the same thing.

The age of the daughter is a crucial piece of information. If she is an adolescent, my advice and interpretation of the situation would be different than if she is 5 years old.

Sincerely,
Dr. Warren

Dr. Warren: "Emotional Incest" is a term that I read in a book about when a child fills the parents emotional needs. The girl that I refer to is eleven years old. Her mother died when she was only 8 years old, and the father had not lived with the mother and daughter for about 4 years prior to the mother's death. They never were married either.. they were "live-ins". I am concerned about this daughter and father because their relationship does not follow other parent-child relationships. It seems that the daughter wants to "boss" and "control" the father, just as a wife would, and he permits it.. even lies to her concerning his activities so that she will not get mad. When he goes out on a date.. the daughter continuously questions him as to where they went, what they did.. etc., and then there is a "guilt" from the father that he should provide more for the child and he then takes her out ...as in a date-type thing.. to the movie, and dinner, etc. ..just as if he were going on a date again. My concern is that I've read about when a child loses a parent to death.. that the child reverts to being like (in this instance) a surrogate mother/wife, providing needs, and one book said that the sexual connotations can be dangerous in a father-daughter only home. Another thing that seems very strange is the daughters interest in sexual things.. and kind of "sexually dances", etc.. around her father doing provocative moves, as if to entice him or something. I have heard that daughters will sometimes fantasize about their fathers, but I'm beginning to worry that if something isn't done.. that in the future, there may be a problem. I hope this gives you more information, and hopefully you can offer some ideas on what, if anything, should be said or done. I've discussed it with the father.. but I'm not sure if he wants to hear it.

Sincerely,
-Julie

Dear Julie: The situation you describe is much different and in some ways more complex than the situation you refer to as "emotional incest" where the daughter becomes a surrogate wife to fill the father's emotional needs. First, the father and mother were separated for some time at the time of the mother's death, and second, the father is already having relationships with adult women, such as the one he has with you. In fact, your relationship with the girl's father may be a significant dynamic, in the current situation.

Father is dealing with guilt about his separation from his wife and "abandonment" of his daughter. As is typical in many such situations, he overcompensates by trying to give her special treatment and perhaps material things. Daughter responds by equating this treatment and the things with lost love. She comes to believe she needs and is entitled to this relationship. Like any child, in fact any person, she would rather be in control and have whatever she wants, with no understanding that parental control would provide her security. Neither Daughter nor Father realize that the father's being in control and making a life for himself would NOT be another "abandonment." The daughter's lack of tears for her mother is not so unusual. Due to the separation of her parents the event may have been sufficiently traumatic for her that she may not find the tears until many years from now. These emotions can become suppressed in the struggle to survive.

I cannot say whether there is a risk in this situation of an incestuous relationship, but I suspect that the seductive behavior you have seen Daughter display is more related to your relationship with Father than with Daughter's relationship with Father. It does not sound like you and Daughter have become friends. Under the circumstances, Daughter can only see Father's relationship with you as risky to her relationship with the only parent she has. You are both in competition for the affection of the same man, and even though the relationship cannot and should not be the same, Daughter evens the playing field by competing with you in this provocative way.

While I do believe you have a genuine concern about the health of the relationship between Father and Daughter, my sense is that your biggest concern is where you fit in to this picture. That's by no means an illegitimate concern, but your seizing on the term "emotional incest" (incest being one of the remaining major societal taboos) as the perfect description of the relationship between Father and Daughter, expresses as much of an opinion as a concern about their relationship. If you were to use this term in discussing your feelings and concerns with Father, you would find it would immediately set a hostile tone which would preclude real communication.

If you see your relationship with father going any place, you need to deal with your feelings about the relationship between Father and Daughter. You need to deal positively with your feelings about Daughter. If there is a chance you will become a family, you need to become friends. Father can never be in a position of having to choose between you and Daughter, and any disagreements you have about Father's handling of Daughter cannot be discussed from the point of view of choosing. Father and Daughter clearly have a need for counseling to deal with parenting and unresolved guilt, but your involvement in the situation makes it just as important for you to join them in counseling. Father and Daughter's relationship is likely to continue, no matter how pathological. As I see it, if you want to be in the picture, you need to establish a place inside that relationship, not outside it. You all need joint counseling. Since I don't know if Father thinks there's a problem, it looks like the ball's in your court. Handle it carefully and gently.

Sincerely,
Dr. Warren

Dr. Warren: Thank you for your response to my email. I understand what you are saying concerning me in the picture with this relationship. I don't know how I gave you the idea that the daughter and I have not made a "friendship" but it's quite the contrary. Her and I get along well..and always have since I first met her. In fact, she asked me yesterday, why I didn't take her to "Take your daughter to work day" on Thursday of last week. (the reason was that my place of business didn't have it).

I am taking care of Xxxx while her dad is away visiting the 2 children from his ex-wife. He is gone from Thursday-Monday afternoon. Xxxx and I had lots of "girl talk" and I have assured her that I never want to take the place of her mother.. but that I am always available when she needs a female to talk to, and she has many times, taken advantage of that.

Actually, the only problem that we all encounter is that I'm divorced with a 14-year-old son..I have total custody, and the two kids are both "only children", although Xxxx has a half-brother and half- sister that have never lived with her. Also, Xxxx's father is an "only child".. perhaps the "only child" thing has some bearing on the relationship too. I'm not sure though. All I know is what I am seeing. . and it's made me worry about things. My son, at age 14, is going through the "typical" teen thing of not wanting to associate with parents..wanting to go in his room, listen to music, talk to his friends on the phone.. etc. I am okay with that.. as I have been reading books on Teenagers and the "phases" of growing up. His psychologist told me the same things, and we address those issues at his last visit.

I don't know what else to tell you.. except that the father and I have discussed "emotional incest" and he told me that is what his mother did to him. He is reading "The Flying Boy".. which I read first, and he says, it is very much like his own life.

There are alot of "issues". He is going to a psychiatrist and psychologist and was DX'd as OC-personality a couple months ago. He is taking Luvox now.. perhaps he should make some appointments and include his daughter in them.. I might make that suggestion, as we have talked about counseling for her before. We have a very open communication about most things.. and yes, I have discussed just about everything with him. It doesn't seem to hurt our relationship, because we do it in a loving-type manner.. not just "blurt" it out. If you have more suggestions.. please let me know, and thank you very much for replying.

-Julie

Dear Julie: When answering e-mail questions I have to try to get as complete a picture as possible from very little information. This often requires reading between the lines when dealing with questions about interpersonal relationships. In trying to construct an answer I try to consider the most likely situations that my readers would find themselves in. If an important detail is missing, I could easily make the wrong assumptions, making my answer useful, perhaps to most of my readers, but off the mark for the person who sent the question.

It isn't that anything in your e-mail suggested that you weren't friends with Daughter, but that your fairly detailed explanation gave no clue that you had any relationship with her. And the term "emotional incest" implies a fairly negative view of the father-daughter relationship, even though the term didn't originate from you. So, I assumed, apparently incorrectly, that the relationship between you and Daughter was at best cool or nonexistent. I apologize for my misinterpretation of the situation. Nonetheless, I find that the most salient points of my previous advice hold true and would like to reemphasize them.

  1. While I can't state that there is no possibility of incest in this Father-Daughter relationship, Father's existing relationship with you and the circumstances of his daughter's coming to live with him make other emotional issues a more likely explanation of what's going on. There is no reason a single, psychologically healthy father raising a daughter alone would be any more likely to enter an incestuous relationship than you would with your son whom you are raising alone. But Father "inherited" his daughter after he was out of the child-rearing business for a while. Perhaps he never was involved in her discipline. Daughter came to Father under extremely stressful circumstances. And Father could really use some parenting classes or counseling aimed specifically at parenting skills to help him cope.
  2. Any adult forming a relationship with another adult who has a child is well advised NEVER to compete with the child for affection. This makes it necessary to be aware when issues arise whether or not there is any element of conscious or subconscious jealousy and deal with it before starting a dialogue with the other adult.
  3. A three way relationship that carries heavy emotional baggage cries out for joint counseling. Daughter and her relationship with Father will continue to be a factor in your relationship with Father for some time to come. No matter how open and loving you are in your discussions, you can't distance yourself from the situation and be objective. Even if you offer superb advice you always run the risk that Father can't separate following good advice from accommodating you, since he is in a relationship with you. That can backfire if the advice needs fine tuning or the end result isn't satisfactory.

Sincerely,
Dr. Warren

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Bathing Newborn

Dear Doctor: I have a question about infant care. We just had a baby girl. When can we bathe her. If so how can we bathe her? Please let me know.

-R

Dear R: Until the cord falls off, it should be kept dry, therefore, newborns should only be bathed with a sponge or cloth. After the cord falls off, which usually happens within two weeks, you can put the baby in a tub for bathing.

Sincerely,
Dr. Warren

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Eating Dirt

Dear Dr. Warren: A co-worker says his 11 month old daughter has quite a taste for dirt. She also puts rocks in her mouth quite often. Aside from causing the obvious -- worms, disease, etc. -- could this be a symptom of some sort of nutritional deficiency?

-LL

Dear LL: Eating dirt or other nonfood items is known as pica. In young children it may be just an unusual habit, but it may also result from nutritional deficiencies. Iron deficiency can cause pica.

Sincerely,
Dr. Warren

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